It seems safe to assume that while SIG is coming up fast on the outside, GLOCK is still most likely the reigning champ in terms of the firearms most often carried by law enforcement and other government agencies. Theres also an un-named Texas gun shop manager who says a P320 fired as he cleared the weapon, blowing off one of his fingers. Tomac. Maybe its a technical issue, maybe its a training issue. Then without any extra effort, the normal trigger pull caused the tab on the drop safety to sheer off. Here's the video, if anyone's still interested in this topic: https://youtu.be/ilFcfIyUz6U My results are the same (about 2k rounds later). Without a loser pays tort system, such abuse will go on and on. It provides another example of how the gun free zone purportedly keeps people safe by not only keeping guns away, but by requiring more discharges nearby. Well today was a great day for the wife as she had zero malfunctions with her gun! Hey, Im glad theres somethings we agree on! Both are listed by Sig Sauer as micro-compacts, but the size difference is there, and it does make a difference. Especially since they farm it out to the lowest bidder. I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. Face it, you paid far too much for a plastic gun. You simply may not PREFER one make to another, or may simply dislike another make, but were to the point in semi-auto pistol production history where amongst the big brands, the only real distinctions are preference. Grow up, you aint all that! Plastic crap! At the risk of sounding superstitious lets review Sigs latest turd pistol. It's this doohickey circled in red in the picture. I'm relatively convinced that it's fixed. The use of a modified [SIG] P226 holster created an unsafe condition by allowing a foreign object to enter the holster, causing the unintended discharge.. Its hard to say yet but with anything follow the basic safety rules. How close is your load to getting into the rifling? Sig sculpted the rear of the frame shell to allow your hand a more comfortable, and higher, carry, with an extended beavertail. LIGHT LOADS? When Villani was asked for his opinion of SIG Sauer, he said, I carry SIGs, I own SIGs, I just dont own a 320nor would I ever. When Scott asked Villani what he found when he took a P320 apart, he said, I thought Wow, they need to do their homework, they need to fix this gun.. The company didnt want to comment on any specific pending litigation for obvious reasons. Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. Same results. I had another thought last night. The Sig P320 XTen (bottom) has the same feel and general dimensions as the full-size 9mm P320 pistols (top). The claimed mode of failure was that the tab on the drop safety that interferes with the striker movement had been sheered off and stopped being a drop safety. If there were a defect in 320's, it would be all over the web. . That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. This gun had been voluntary upgraded. Vihtavuori doesn't publish data for even N320 with a 147gr plated bullet, much less N310, so not only is this N310, it's with an even heavier 165gr bullet. So? Colors: SATIN ROSE | Matte TiCN. I know off body carry is a recipe for disaster. New extractor? They've also been adopted as duty guns by law enforcement agencies across the country. I dont know nothing about Sigs, I do know any gunm that goes off when I lay it on a table gets sold with a warning and I never touch that brand or model again. This is a well known vulnerability of the P320 FCU, and is perhaps a reason SIG should have engineered the system with a replaceable ejector. So I will just continue to carry Mexican style with my striker fired polymer wonder nine from a company that may or may not be SIG. So I see this asa manufacturer issue not an ammo issue. Im looking into an aftermarket barrel that at least doesn't have that funnel cut nonsense, just a standard chamfer, for a little more support for my own peace of mind. Wont last!. By hoping Sig gets taken down for the P320, theyre actually setting up their own pet brand to be the next on the chopping block. They have hundreds of thousands of P320s in regular service now and, despite a search, we couldnt find a rash of reports of soldiers claiming their pistols are firing on their own. The standard P320 Compact magazine holds 15 rounds, but you can use higher-capacity magazines as well. ABC News ran two reports on the topic last week, highlighting one particular cop in Bridge City, Texas who is suing SIG for $15 million. Is it? Sent the gun to SIG, got it back with a different extractor spring and plunger, plus new extractor. Harrison stated that, I have not seen enough to convince me that the upgraded version is dangerous., When ABCs David Scott asked Harrison if its a mystery whats going wrong with the updated version though Harrison had just stated the upgraded pistol isnt dangerous Harrison said, I do not have an explanation for why the updated version should have complaints from trained individuals. It was not a double charge, but it did blow out the extractor. Feed ramp was polished from use when it went out but looked freshly blued when it came back. RAYZ-When I LAMR I load a full mag (11 rounds in a factory 17 or 21 round mag) then cycle the slide. It nicely describes what has to happen in a striker-fired P320 for an un-commanded discharge to happen as the plaintiffs have claimed. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. And it doesnt take too much Googling to find plenty of reports of LEOs suing the Georgia company as well (see here, here, here, and here for just a few). Broken ejector. The Collette suit, for example, lists 39 such discharges, all but five of which involved law enforcement officers. I own Serpa holsters in multiple configurations (1911, Beretta 96, H&K, Springfield, etc) for most of the time theyve been around and I NEVER had an ND. You said you don't have the problem with any of your other kits. The guys at the LGS saw only one broken striker but it confirmed what the manager who had the P320 go off and my thoughts. BrianEnos.com Asked if the guns in these cases could have been mishandled, Villani responds, When I see videos of police officers getting out of their car and their weapon discharges in their holsters, nah, theres a problem with the gun. ABC then ran bodycam footage of a pre-upgrade P320 firing as a Michigan state trooper exited his patrol car in 2016 with no mention of the results of any subsequent investigation. In the suit, the deputy suggested that the company issue an "enhanced, unambiguous warning to . But they addinsult to injury by a"funneled" cut a good 1/8"-3/16" in from the chamber face. Its a compounded issue of weakened cases and the chamber design. Theres a couple of possibilities. At this time I have no other parts to compare to the extractor pin or spring. For you X5 users, what powder and bullet set-up are you using to keep pressures low? At least the Lion roars when he is hungry, the C.E.O smiles at you and when you turn your back he puts a knife right into it. SIG ultimately settled that lawsuit. PDs are dropping them from contracts. The drop-bang thing only happened at a very narrow event window, it was only once the Internet doom-preachers figured out that narrow window and did it over and over online did it appear to be a thing. Sig adapted and changed the pistol sufficiently to prevent even that issue. You did get to sit and watch it with him, which leads to a serious question. You clanging a bell that went silent years ago. Clear editor. But I just had a case blowout this afternoon. It takes time for any new platform to work the kinks out. And on the flip side of the coin is the decades of denial by Remington on the 700 which Ive seen firsthand. If it was so bad, why did the US Marines, who had the Glock, drop it in favor of the carry sized P320, the M18? Yes including 3 factory loads and 5 different hand loads. Instead we see a Sig that is ran by Mr. Cohen of Kimber fame have repeated quality and product development failures. Had a buddy, years ago, that was a deputy for Orange County in California. If these same folks were around in the 80s and got their way, no one today would know what a Glock was. Display as a link instead, He quickly too quickly tried to pick up the gun from the floor before anyone could see it, and in his haste, he picked it up with his finger on the trigger and accidentally fired the gun. This is the only post fix tale of p320 failure I have heard that is not some form of but it just went off, I didnt do nutthin! I do not even know if sending it back to Sig at this point would tell me anything, as they are just going to test fire it with brass and tell me not to use steel case ammo.. Quick Reply to: You cannot paste images directly. True b. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM Nope. The American manufacturer of the new pistols belonging to Canadas special forces claims the soldier wounded in an accidental discharge last fall was using the wrong holster for the weapon. The current allegations, then, are different, claiming that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. Then Weve got to go 9mm Nato. And hasnt been nothing but looking for the holy grail since. They then proceeded to repeatedly drop each one onto concrete at that precise -30 problem angle from four feet. Your link has been automatically embedded. Remember also that with a handful of notable exceptions, modern firearms do not just go off, no matter what is later claimed by those who may be held responsible. Whats this silly BS? and youve gotten this far reading our thread. The sear cams it back a teeny bit. Infact you have to pay shipping cost to get that fixed even though its their screw up. I was having issues with my P320, failure to extract that started off as a single incident in a month, then increasing in frequency after. The networks report didnt mention lawsuits filed by LEOs (or anyone else) against other gun makers claiming similar alleged design defects. They function as commanded every time. Did you try your other FCU with the 9F kit? Everyone remembers the problems the Beretta M9 had, but it got sorted and they went on to serve over 30 years. These suits allege that their ultra-popular P320 pistol can fire without the trigger being pulled. Yeah, I guess I learned that the hard way. More common is the incorrect reassembly, for those who have removed the plunger, spring or claw. So even if, as the ambulance chaser claims, the striker leg could vibrate off of the sear face, it could not discharge unless the drop safety was also disengaged because the drop safety prevents movement of the striker sufficient to make the firing pin protrude from the breech face. By But I can't count the number of guys using n320 and 147s for minimal pf loads. Upgrades are for things that didnt work right in the first place. He was happy to find this post and that it confirmed that he felt the case support looked inadequate. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Result: Sig P320 goes off when dropped and shoots people. I would trust the intelligence of a Gorilla in a zoo before any one in the Far Right. That wont last for long, the P320 (M17 AND M18) are already failing in the field. Too expensive to use their customers as beta testers. When I got it back it was ammo fussy for about 600 rounds. Its just that with hundreds of millions of firearms in the hands of more than one-third of the countrys population including a lot of cops some number of negligent discharges will inevitably happen. If they recruit smart cops, they wont have cops who will act against their political opponents outside of the constitution. Have you tried a different slide and barrel. I will discuss the solutions to all these problems and user reviews in this article. I called Sig and the rep said the X5 is designed to do exactly that, blow out the extractor to save other vital parts,whenever there is an over pressure situation. Then either the gun somehow managed to magically clear both the broken tab and foreign body to continue to operate. Sent the old kit (as a complete pistol) off to Sig for warranty repair. Depending on who you talk to you will get many different answers. The incidents occur outside the forbidden zone, as we disarm before we enter so we stay in assiduous compliance with their nonsensical requirement. ! only reveals ones immature emotional attachment to an inanimate object, which reveals a pretty childish worldview. I've heard a couple of cases of this. The Sig Sauer P320 Extractor is a Factory OEM Sig Sauer part. The pistol is popular with commercial gun owners and law enforcement south of the border. One of the officers a few years ago was carrying his P320 in a P226 holster that he took a Dremel to make the P320 fit. Took the wife out to SC yesterday after changing out to the 1911 guide rod with a 12lb spring. My friend's 320 rx pictures below, out of battery firing, barrel appears to be short chambered, not enough case supportsee pix belowSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. It was not a double charge, but it did blow out the extractor. Which in and of itself is user error / misuse. No the devil went down to Georgia to learn how to play a fiddle. Here is a movie that he filmed 40 years ago and he was still raking it in. Sig Sauer has also made other changes to the P320, including a new striker safety mechanism and a new disconnect safety. You're never supposed to admit to shooting reloaded ammo when contacting customer service! But hey, in ruthless, lawless, Capitalvania were life is considered cheap and expendable no one gives a shit, especially the Far Right that screams about abortions and then kills off the children that were not aborted with loaded guns laying around the house. Later when he was driving he shifted his weight and this caused the trigger to be pushed back further and it went off and shot him and the bullet then also blew a big hole in the floor board of this truck. Steel casing ammo much better off in polymer mags. How about something more relevant. With Biden spending outrageous amounts of money, whats 100 million here or there? Period. But then Im not a federal LE flunky who cant keep my booger hook off the bang switch, either. Just wanted to share an experience I had with my new X5 in CO. To share the setup, I had Robert Burke do his competition trigger job which feels great; I also have a tungsten guide rod, other than that, the gun is stock. . Fine. Yes, a lot of police officers only shoot when they have to for qual. He would have been booted after the first time, but being a cop comes with some special privileges. It has an unsafe takedown procedure that requires you to pull the trigger to get the slide off. congrats. I first ran about 100 rounds of brass through the gun, which was cleaned prior to today's range visit. You would have to conclude theres a problem with the product, not with the people., In the Nightline version, Bagnell says, Firearms are not subject to federal regulation. I dont care about the upgrade that should never happen. But as Officer Hilton says, There is no way anything could have gotten into my purseinto the trigger guard and pulled that trigger., This ABC report includes an interview with Joshua Harrison, a firearms expert hired by the network to examine the P320s design and give his opinion of its safety. So park the Cops suck cause they aint gunfighters! bull**it. That was me. https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-iN4Wr8P_P2lGU6m2M5Rd8F6tVxyeeWdzleA_0eUoKjB0wER5wbVU_ouLj3uKCvLmUWhjIv2uHVC2R0Wv8Q9VgQ/messages/@.id==AMxkWSMoHX4bYSzMKA0AINojDH4/content/parts/@.id==2/refresh?appid=YMailNorrinLaunch&ymreqid=ae6c4f7d-acdd-ffa3-1c80-d70000011c00. Tried different mags? Thanks, Jim. ), and the gun fell out of his pocket. He takes your wallet and car and leaves the SIG. It was a huge issue at one point because the company who they outsourced the extractor to went cheap. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. I think I may know what happened. They suck and Im awesome!, 2. The Moron engineer who decided to put that on the Glock should have been hung by his dirty balls. They didnt have to, but did. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. This website has been messed up all week so that might be the problem in replying. And have the dropping 320 go off? Really? But this 9F will fail to extract a fired case about every 3rd or 4th mag. Each time this gun misfires, and fires without the users intent, it is not only harming that individual, but these guns are a risk to anybody around, said Bob Zimmerman, a Philadelphia-based attorney with the firm Saltz Mongeluzzi & Bendesky, which is representing the plaintiffs in the latest filing, and has repeatedly sued the company for other alleged injuries. Yes, conspiracy to defraud is a thing when ones @ss is on the line. Or you would have to have enough slide play for the slide movement to physically disengage the sear and striker leg mating surfaces. The pictures on the internet were enough to scare the shit out of you especially his wound in the thigh. Would you? That incident, along with another alleged unintended discharge involving a Milwaukee officer, prompted the department to recently announce it intends to take the P320 out of service for its officers. While we dont have the actual numbers of similar lawsuits filed against other gun makers actually no one individual or organization seems to keep track of these things and gun makers dont want to talk about it it seems highly likely that every major firearm manufacturer gets its share of a regular flow of lawsuits filed by both civilians and LEOs who claim SHAZAM! They habitually use their customers as the product testers by selling what are essentially prototypes while quietly implementing rolling revisions. Hammer guns have a half cock notch for a reason. And I have a separate channel for mall ninja training tips. Each incident gives them more blood for their macabre dance, and another tic-mark for their context-free gun violence tally. I dunno if its a case of lowest bidders blues or what. But it also has much worse quality control on the parts in my experience owning and working on both. Fourth, no one takes Taurus seriously. And the idea some random comment section P320 hater thinks theyre smarter & more knowledgeable than the Army, Navy, Airforce, Coast Guard and Marine Corp combined regarding military pistol selection is just freaking laughable! The fact is that the plaintiffs will get paid regardless of who did what. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It was a weakend case, and the gun was fine after I repleced the extractor with a spare I had. I'm hoping this was a fluke due to a really weak casing - if anyone has any other thoughts please share. So I give a ton of credit to Shatner for reading the reality of what it was and in essence, saving it. Having it as the ONLY trigger pull the weapon has seems (to me) clearly dangerous. Sounds like these officers and others are attempting to cover their posteriors. Only problem I ever had with my 320 compact was a chipped extractor. Over the top, hammy and with incredible choleric energy, but as he once said, when you trying to seriously sell a scene that has space ship with obvious carboard walls, christmas lights and a guy in a rubber gorilla suit with a plastic horn on its head, if you play it lowkey youre dead the audience is gonna focus on how cheesy it all is. 3. It sure wasnt her fault though, because she was flooring the. I'll keep you all posted. So it never had a history of a potential valid claim for ambulance chasers to work off of. Location. I would trust a hungry lion on the Serengeti plains of Africa more than I would a C.E.O. I call b-s on all these my gun magically went off. That said, I own multiple P320s, but all of them have the manual safety due to personal preference. 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